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Video marketing is not new, but many B2B manufacturers are still searching for a strategy. In this episode of The Kula Ring, Allison Wagner, Marketing Communications Manager at Morrison Container Handling Solutions, shares how she helped make video the company’s biggest marketing tool. She talks about the resourcing effort, why video is important for manufacturers to invest in, and how Morrison leverages video content to help prospects envision how to use their solution.
How a Manufacturer Made Video Its Biggest Marketing Tool Transcript:
Announcer: You’re listening to The Kula Ring, a podcast made for manufacturing marketers. Here are Carman Pirie and Jeff White.
Jeff White: Welcome to The Kula Ring, a podcast for manufacturing marketers brought to you by Kula Partners. My name is Jeff White and joining me today is Carman Pirie. Carman, how you doing, mate?
Carman Pirie: All is well, sir. And you?
Jeff White: Very good. Yeah.
Carman Pirie: Nice.
Jeff White: Great. It’s a new year. We’re recording this in 2021.
Carman Pirie: A new year, a new episode.
Jeff White: Yeah. New year, same as the old year.
Carman Pirie: Yeah, you know. I’ve never been one to be very good at marking milestones, I find.
Jeff White: No.
Carman Pirie: Like I forget my birthday sometimes, like, I never did turn 27. I was 28 for two years in a row. I thought I had turned 28 instead of 27, and then I just kept it for another… Because that’s how much attention I pay to this kind of thing.
Jeff White: I think that’s okay as long as you don’t forget somebody else’s birthday, or if somebody forgets yours.
Carman Pirie: The auto-calendar reminders are nice for that. So yeah, new year, same year, whatever it is, it’s still good to be chatting here at The Kula Ring.
Jeff White: Indeed. Looking forward to speaking with our guest today.
Carman Pirie: Absolutely.
Jeff White: Joining us today is Allison Wagner. Allison is the Marketing Communications Manager at Morrison Container Handling Solutions. Welcome to The Kula Ring, Allison.
Allison Wagner: Thanks for having me.
Carman Pirie: Allison, we’re gonna have to have you introduce a bit more about yourself and tell us about Morrison, because you don’t want Jeff doing this. Because he is going to geek out about timing screws and our guests won’t know a damn thing about what’s going on, so we’re gonna hand it over to you and say tell us what it is that you do and what Morrison does.
Allison Wagner: Well, about a year and a half ago, I also didn’t know what a timing screw was. I came from the advertising industry, working with production companies, and VFX houses more than anything in manufacturing, and when I landed the gig at Morrison, I had to kind of go deep into the world of timing screws. It’s definitely not a screw that puts together a shoe rack. It’s something much bigger that moves all kinds of different goods that we purchase at the grocery store. What I like to tell people is at Morrison, we don’t make containers, we don’t make what goes in the container, we honestly have nothing to do with it other than the fact that we move it on a production line. Think about how a cap on a bottle might need to get sanitized, have that heat from the liquid go to the cap, we would take that bottle and flip it over automatically so that you don’t have to have somebody standing there doing it all day long.
We just automate those processes to make it simple so that you can move people to other places that matter versus having somebody turn a container all day to apply a label. We just automate that entire process, and the timing screw is at the root of everything we do. And we utilize those timing screws and design them in order to move those products more efficiently for filling, capping, labeling, whatever it might be.
Carman Pirie: Look, I like to make fun of Jeff on this, but it is very cool. And he’s just more mechanically inclined than I am, so he’s inclined to geek out in this. Right? Yeah.
Jeff White: I like to watch these kinds of things. Yeah. I think that’s a big part of what you do at Morrison, isn’t it? To be able to bring that to life. Because it is interesting to watch how these machines work and how the timing screws kind of bring that all to life, so video is a huge part of what you do.
Allison Wagner: Video’s kind of our biggest marketing tool. We can’t necessarily just explain what a timing screw is since it does so many different things, so we’ve been telling the story of what Morrison is through video for as long as we’ve been around. We have videos from the archives from the ‘80s that we took video of every system, and it’s still something that we do, and that’s just how we tell the story of Morrison and tell the story of what our products can do for our customers all over the world.
Carman Pirie: I think it’s just fascinating because video isn’t new, like you just said, but there are still so many manufacturers out there that are in search of a video strategy. You hear that kind of language often. And that’s why it’s so great to have you on the show, is just to talk to somebody who’s had it in their DNA for so long, and frankly, when you go onto your website and you look at the video that’s produced there, there’s not a lot of talking-head video.
Jeff White: Yeah. Not overly produced. Yeah.
Carman Pirie: Take us into that a bit. How big is the resourcing against this video work at Morrison and kind of how do you go about it?
Allison Wagner: Yeah, so up until about six months ago, it was just me. It was just always one person, so whoever was in this role was responsible for all the video. And I wouldn’t say our strategy was really complicated. It was simple. You take a video of every single system before it leaves the facility. We might not have known what we were doing with those videos, but we have them, we took the video, we would send it to the customer, and then the footage would just kind of sit there and when I came about a year and a half ago, we had a lot of videos on YouTube and we would tell the story of what we did through video, but there was so much footage there and so much potential to just keep doing that.
When you realize that we have tens of thousands of views on a single timing screw moving for 30 seconds, you realize that there are people out there that are watching them, and that’s how they’re learning about Morrison more than anything else, is they’re going to our videos and they’re looking at it. We just kind of bridged that gap and realized that we need to be investing in our video, and we love interns at Morrison. Education is really a part of what we do, and we invest in education locally and nationally, and my CEO just came into my office one day and was like, “Hey, we should get you an intern and they can help you with video.”
By bringing in an intern who’s studying those types of things in college, they really just robustly overhauled our entire video production. They’re learning, they want to learn, and they’re learning how to use all these different programs that I had no idea how to even think about beginning to learn, and they’re taking this footage we have and they’re animating it now, and they’re finding different ways to tell our stories better. I think that it’s really simple. I mean, video’s been out there forever, and people have been using it forever, but it doesn’t have to be complicated. Just start videoing every single thing that you have and find what works for you. And sometimes it is okay to figure out how to use the footage later.
Jeff White: I think that’s great. And I think one of the things that… You know, because we all have a video production studio in our pockets these days. The phones are incredible.
Allison Wagner: Exactly.
Jeff White: But tell us a bit about how you actually pull these together, like how complex is your equipment and what are you doing? Just so that other marketers that are listening can get a sense of exactly what somebody who’s been doing it since the ‘80s might actually have in terms of a setup.
Allison Wagner: We started by obviously having a big old VHS tape recorder that did it, and the videos weren’t complicated. They were just cuts and then the VHS tape was there and that’s what we had. Now we definitely use a Canon DSLR camera, something really simple on a tripod that we use to record those videos, and then we pull them together in Adobe Premiere Pro. It’s really simple to use. There’s a ton of great tutorials online. Doesn’t have to be complicated and you’ll get better the more you use it, and it’s like $20 a month to be able to use.
We’re not using anything that’s super complicated to put together these complex videos, and I think it goes along the lines of the more you start doing it, the better you get at it. And about nine months ago when COVID hit, our camera broke, and we weren’t able to get a new camera until about three weeks ago, so we were doing everything on our iPhones. I mean, like you said, everybody has it in their pocket and it’s not complicated, and if you don’t know how to use the big fancy thing, it doesn’t really matter anymore and we would pull out our camera on our phone, do the same exact thing, and still be able to put it all together in Adobe Premiere Pro.
Once again, it’s really not a complicated process. We just have simple equipment that we use, and we keep it simple because then everybody can use it.
Jeff White: That’s fantastic. And you know, because I think that in some ways a lot of marketers are, “Well, we don’t have the DSLR, we don’t have microphones, we don’t have all the other complex equipment that we think we need in order to do this, so let’s just wait until we can put a strategy together.”
Carman Pirie: Yeah. It can seem like a heavy lift I guess for a lot of people, can’t it?
Jeff White: Yeah, exactly.
Carman Pirie: In some way, maybe we make it more complicated than it needs to be. Yeah. I think there’s a lot of truth to that.
Jeff White: At the end of the day, you could just take your phone out of your pocket, put it in a tripod and go.
Allison Wagner: You could take your phone out of your pocket, put it in a tripod or just hold it, and then take the one clip and put it on YouTube. I mean, it doesn’t have to be anything fancy. It doesn’t need all of the theatrics, or the music, or the voiceover… I mean, when you’re starting out, just getting a video out there I think right now is more important than anytime before. People are sitting in front of their computers all day and you can write a bunch of words about your product, especially in manufacturing, or you could take a quick video, and somebody out there who doesn’t have the time to read, or doesn’t care, it pops up on YouTube, they watch it, and now they understand what they need.
Carman Pirie: I do think more since… You know, what you make lends itself so well to this.
Allison Wagner: Yeah.
Carman Pirie: Which I suppose saying that maybe is giving some other folks an easy out, but you know, I think there’s an awful lot of other businesses that would find themselves similarly well-positioned.
Jeff White: For sure.
Carman Pirie: Making similarly-
Jeff White: Creating that owned content that you can then leverage for so many other things.
Carman Pirie: Yeah. But you know, there’s something in the fact you want to see how this worked, how the containers are handled, and so the video is just a dead obvious way of doing that, and it doesn’t require any voiceover, and I’m thinking it doesn’t kind of apply necessarily to everybody.
Jeff White: No, for sure. I’m thinking of Darren from Trout River Live Bottom Trailers. You know, he’s become an on-air personality for their organization. That’s one way to take video-
Allison Wagner: Absolutely.
Jeff White: And the other one is to be a bit more product-focused.
Carman Pirie: But it’s kind of maybe even somewhat… Well, okay, let’s look at Darren for a second. Is it kind of required in that moment? He’s selling live bottom trailers. Could he have been just as successful just taking a video and showing the live bottom trailers? Like just showing it at work?
Jeff White: Well, and I think he was at first. That was what they were doing. And then realized that they could also kind of add that element to it. Are we going to see you in front of the machines at some point presenting?
Carman Pirie: 2021, Allison makes her debut.
Allison Wagner: Yeah. Not me. We definitely noticed something similar. You get people watching these videos, and a lot of people, I think it’s… If I pull up Facebook and I’m looking at a video, I often don’t turn the sound on. Because I am in a crowded room, or you’re looking at it when maybe you shouldn’t be, but you’re not gonna always turn that sound on.
But if you are gonna turn the sound on, there are settings for that. Our Director of Sales, we’re gonna start integrating other people as well to get in front of the camera and tell the story a little bit better. For different product lines maybe that don’t necessarily lend themselves to explaining why Morrison just does it better than other people. We think there’s definitely always a need for both, but I would also say when you’re starting out, don’t get hung up on that, right? Sometimes it’s okay to just keep it down and dirty, get it out there quick, and let your product tell its story. And as you continue to evolve and learn different things that work for you, and for your customer, right? If your customer doesn’t care, don’t waste your time on it.
We’re realizing that there is a place for us to be sitting down and really explaining, and talking over, and explaining some of the intricacies behind the design, and why you might need this specific type of screw. It’s evolving as it should, but it’s just we’re evolving as we’re realizing what our customers need, and we’re letting them tell us, and that is as simple as adding some voiceovers, or sending out the videos in email blasts to the people who just want them delivered to their inbox, too. We’re finding different ways to repurpose that content.
Carman Pirie: And has the pandemic in some way driven the move to include salespeople in the videos? I mean, just like it’s harder to get face to face with folks these days, so it’s another way.
Allison Wagner: Yeah, absolutely, so it’s driven it for a couple of different reasons. One, I have more salespeople in the office than ever before because they can’t. They can’t go out and meet people, and people don’t want them in plants, and you can utilize them when they’re there, which is awesome. But also, since they’re there and they’re willing to do it, we’re able to connect with more people. I mean, think about how many plants you could typically visit in a day to try and sell your product or how many plants a video could reach within an hour.
And I think when you start to break it down like that, you still see there’s obviously always a use for plant visits and those are incredibly important, because you need to connect with your customers one on one, but when you’re trying to connect with those prospects and spark that initial interest, I think having a video, and having that person that they’re gonna be meeting and talking with in the video is… You connect with humans on a more emotional level that way, and therefore you’re gonna connect with the product and maybe figure out more questions that you want to ask or understand the people at Morrison and why you want to work with those people.
Carman Pirie: Have you taken this approach and extended it to prospecting videos? One on one, intended to drive new biz meetings, et cetera?
Allison Wagner: No, we haven’t yet, but that’s a great idea, so I’m gonna take that back to the office.
Carman Pirie: If you’ve already got salespeople that are willing to get in front of the camera and it’s the muscle memory now of being able to do video without making a big fuss about it. You’ve got the two ingredients that are needed in order to do video prospecting probably pretty well.
Jeff White: Yeah. A few of the things you just said drive a couple of questions that I have. The first would be how has this strategy enabled you to get a little bit more aligned with your sales team? Have you started to work more closely with them now that they’re in the office more often and this is the way that Morrison has done marketing?
Allison Wagner: Yeah, absolutely. People connect more when the pandemic hit and everybody’s virtual, you’re trying to find ways to connect with people more. But we realized pretty easily that in order to connect to more people and drive more sales that we should be working together, not against each other. And it sounds so simple at first, but you go into these companies and these manufacturing facilities, and you realize that marketing is a fairly new concept for a lot of them, and they’re both working towards the same goal, but they’re just not working at it together.
Maybe they think that they’re supposed to be working against each other, they don’t want the same thing, but we just sat down, and we realized we’re stronger together than apart, so if all the marketing materials I’m producing, you realize you know your customers want nothing to do with them, then I’m wasting my time and I’m also not giving you things that are going to just make your job easier. The world’s so digital, and we connect with a thousand people in the time that maybe you can connect with two or three, so if we’re working together and leveraging those tools, and helping drive more quality leads to our salespeople, then I think naturally you’re gonna start to see more revenue growth, which the entire company wants.
And then you’re paying for yourself and you’re paying for more potential people on your team, and just paying for that growth.
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Jeff White: Yeah. I think that’s absolutely critical, to get that kind of alignment and make sure that you’re creating things that are going to be useful for them. So many times, marketers are just crafting the content that they think is going to work without really consulting with the sales team to find out what’s really resonating with their customers. And that brings me to my second question from what you were mentioning before. How have you built out your contact list and your email list to get these videos out there, to develop those leads? Because obviously, that email is going to be a fairly important part of your strategy.
Allison Wagner: Yeah, absolutely. Our salespeople are obviously sending one-to-one emails, and we’re also trying to drive those legal subscriptions. You have to make sure that you have consent in order to send those emails, so on all of our forms on our website we make sure that there’s that little checkbox that says, “We need to contact you about our products and services and you’re consenting for us to do that.” And then that’s how we start to develop those lists.
We’re segmenting them out by different interest levels that work for our business model since not everybody cares about the same thing, and the verbiage has to change, right? OEMs and retailers need different things and understand things in different ways. We want to make sure that the language that we’re using works for them. Otherwise, if I send something to an OEM that’s for a retailer, it just kind of sounds like we don’t know what we’re doing and maybe we aren’t the best person to work with. We’re doing things like that, but we’re always making sure that we’re getting those contacts legally, that we’re not sending people things that they don’t want. I think that harms your brand reputation, too. If you’re sending things to people that they don’t want, it doesn’t work, so we’re just trying to drive those connections and drive people to want to receive our content.
Carman Pirie: What kind of cadence are we talking about? A weekly email contact, monthly, what’s it like?
Allison Wagner: It just varies based on what we’re sending. Right now we’re doing a newsletter that is monthly and it just sends a couple of videos out every month at the top of the month to spark that interest, because what we do at Morrison is more so inspiration. We don’t really sell a model X, Y, or a Z, which can make marketing pretty difficult. But what we do try to explain is this particular system can be an inspiration for maybe what you need, and we can adapt it to what you need.
Sending out those videos kind of sparks that conversation, and then we do have some touch points, like we do a blog post every two weeks, so the people who are subscribed to that will receive it every two weeks sent to their inbox, as well. And we also just try to make sure that the content we’re sending isn’t overly promotional. I mean, at Morrison, we strive to be a partner with people, and this is a really difficult time more than ever, so all the content that we’re producing on our blog is really just to help other manufacturers navigate what’s going on or find the particular things that might help make their job a little bit easier.
I think that it’s really important because our video is so promotional. That’s what it’s supposed to be. It’s to sell our product. I think it’s important to try and meet people where they’re at and realize we’re all kind of in it together, and so what can we be giving to our potential customers or the other companies that we work with on projects? What can we be giving to them to just maybe make their life a little bit easier? We’re all sharing best practices more than ever and I think that manufacturing is a really interesting industry, because we are all so willing and open to share marketing practices. It’s, “Oh, this worked for me. It should work for you.” Or, “Here, give it a try.” We don’t keep those things close to the chest. We want to share. We’re all just kind of learning and evolving together.
Jeff White: I love that. It’s like an empathy angle. Like you’re really kind of concerned and trying to make sure that this is valuable and useful and is going to help elevate your partners and your customers, as well. You’re not just in it to sell 100% of the time. I think that’s really important and something to be admired and tried by others, as well.
Carman Pirie: Yeah. It seems to me that it’s just a choice. You choose to act that way, or you don’t. And so, people look for the how-to manual, like, “How do I seem like I care about my customer?” Well, actually-
Jeff White: You can try caring.
Carman Pirie: You can start caring and then see if it shows.
Allison Wagner: It comes from the top down at Morrison. I think my favorite phrase our CEO says is, “We’re doing this just because it’s the right thing to do.” Like, if we need to remake a system because it didn’t turn out right, we’re just gonna do it because it’s the right thing to do. It’s not to try and make Morrison look better. We just want to do the right thing. And I think that if that’s just kind of in our DNA, then you’re not trying to make yourself look more empathetic. It’s just who you are because it’s encouraged across the entire organization.
Jeff White: I think that’s… You know, when it’s coming from the CEO, as well, it’s-
Allison Wagner: Yeah. It makes a difference.
Jeff White: It certainly drives a lot of interest across the firm, I’m sure.
Carman Pirie: I want to say it’s one thing that I found a little odd going to the Morrison website, because you know, in the location where you would typically see these days a notice that even though there’s COVID-19 happening, we’re still up and running 24/7, like that’s the place on the website where you would typically be seeing that these days, you see the words, “At Morrison Container Handling Solutions, we believe in every human’s right to be treated with respect and equality and the right to live without fear.” And that’s-
Jeff White: That’s pretty overarching.
Carman Pirie: Well, but you talk about it coming from the top, right? It’s there for a reason, I’m assuming.
Allison Wagner: Yeah.
Carman Pirie: Fascinating.
Allison Wagner: It’s been a tough, tough year, and we’re in a really diverse area in the Chicago Southland. I mean, the South Side is… I grew up there. It’s a community that is really special to all of us. And when everything was happening this summer with George Floyd, and all of the different instances, we had a companywide meeting outside, socially distanced, we do it every Friday, and it was one of the most somber meetings, where I was very proud of the company I worked for because the way our CEO, as a female, stood up there and tried to address everybody and said, “Look, I don’t know the answers, and I don’t expect you to tell me what they are, but we’re gonna figure it out together,” and that statement is what she said that she wants all of our employees to understand that’s Morrison, that’s what we stand by, and we want our customers and companies to know that too, because we want to work with people who believe that and we just want to promote that message across the board.
And right after that meeting, she came up to me and she’s like, “It needs to be at the top of our website, and that’s who we are, and that’s just what needs to be listed for the time being.”
Carman Pirie: Lovely. Lovely. Yeah, it’s lovely.
Jeff White: That’s fantastic.
Carman Pirie: You know, I thought we were going to talk about video. I didn’t realize-
Jeff White: Here we are trying to talk about how we actually work toward solving some of the bigger problems in the world.
Carman Pirie: Yeah. Folks will be interested to know that this is being recorded on the 7th of January, 2021, so you won’t have to connect too many more dots to understand how heavy the conversation is.
Jeff White: Yeah, for sure.
Carman Pirie: Where do we go from here?
Jeff White: Exactly.
Allison Wagner: Back to video.
Carman Pirie: Yeah. Well, look, I think we’ve covered a lot of ground. Not only have we unpacked a bit of Morrison’s video success, but we’ve got the idea planted about some prospecting videos. Look, so we already know a little bit about what 2021 might hold, but I guess, Allison, what are you excited for as this year gets underway? What’s the marketing innovation that you’re looking to launch at Morrison in 2021?
Allison Wagner: Our team is growing, and we were a team of one, me, and now we have two people that I work with on a daily basis, and so I think we’re just excited to see what we’re gonna be able to accomplish by having more people who can dedicate more time to things, and we’re looking to connect with our customers in different ways and finding mediums to meet them through video, whether it be webinars, just different types of ways to connect with them. And we launched some marketing automation, so we’re excited to see where that’s going to help grow our business and just help us reach our customers in a way that they care about and that is going to be meaningful to them.
Jeff White: I think it’s interesting to think about a tool like… Because you’ve implemented HubSpot, I believe?
Allison Wagner: Yeah.
Jeff White: It’s interesting to think about a tool like HubSpot, or a marketing automation platform, with a lens of empathy applied to it. How do we ensure that we scale our marketing team so that we can hit as many people as possible with the marketing messaging? But if you’re coming at it from a bit of a different angle, like how can we help as many people as possible, that’s going to change perhaps how you implement your workflows and other content in the marketing automation, so I think that’s pretty interesting.
Carman Pirie: Yeah. I’ve been tinkering with this idea about where you find scale and that you’re right, a lot of marketers as they implement marketing automation platforms, they’re really seeking scale and efficiency in the marketing, kind of the doing of the marketing. And they’re looking to apply in some way a one-size-fits-most approach to handling leads as they come into a funnel. But for manufacturing marketers, our scale comes after the sale. It’s because you sell one piece of container handling equipment to a customer, that’s not the last piece of equipment you’re gonna sell that customer. That’s the thin edge of a big wedge.
The scale happens after the sale, which changes I think how we evaluate marketing investments, how we think about scaling our use of a marketing automation platform, and how much time we invest in creating content that’s specific to one or just a few prospects. That’s the world of manufacturing marketing and that’s why, in that lens, it’s so different, I think than in some ways what these tools are thought of.
Allison Wagner: Well, and the people that purchase equipment in manufacturing, we always lead with this basic idea that anybody who’s coming to purchase a piece of equipment for us, their job is on the line. They went out on a limb to choose to work with Morrison. And now the project has to meet deadlines and it has to come in, and it has to work right the first time, because otherwise they’re not up to production speed and they’re not making sure enough ketchup bottles get on the shelf in a timely fashion or whatever that product may be.
We want to make sure that we’re letting them know that we understand that this is super important, and we’re gonna make sure that we do everything we can to meet those deliverables, and you know, sometimes you’re gonna fall short because somebody goes down with a disease like COVID, and we lost a person on our shop floor for a couple weeks, or sometimes we’re gonna get it out early, but when you take this marketing approach in manufacturing, I think it’s important to understand the scale comes after the sale, so what do you need to do to get those customers, those leads, to want to work with you? I think it’s as simple as getting them to understand we got your back. We understand that you’re going out on a limb to choose to work with us. You know what our product is gonna do, but now you need to just make sure it’s gonna do what we say it’s gonna do.
Jeff White: Yeah. That’s fantastic. I mean, the idea of being that thin edge of the wedge and getting in there, developing the relationship, and then using the knowledge and the relationship to expand what’s possible and what actually gets sold into those clients and customers is massive.
Allison Wagner: I think marketing this day and age is about relationship building and you know, we say it’s storytelling, but good stories build relationships and if you can build relationships, especially with millennials in the marketplace who all want to work with brands that build relationships in an altruistic way, especially as manufacturers, we need to start taking that approach in our marketing.
Jeff White: I think that is an absolutely fantastic place-
Carman Pirie: Yeah. And I don’t think it’s something that necessarily everybody would immediately think of or agree with.
Jeff White: No.
Carman Pirie: You know, the set of people out there that like to rant about millennials, right? What I loved about Allison’s articulation of it is just how matter of fact it was. It wasn’t up for debate.
Jeff White: It is. Yeah. It is. It’s not what will be.
Carman Pirie: Exactly. I pity those salespeople that you order around in these videos, because you have a very direct way. It’s fantastic. Allison, it’s been a real pleasure to have you on the show. I’ve really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you for joining us today.
Allison Wagner: Thank you so much for having me. I’m definitely going to take that prospecting video back to the office today.
Carman Pirie: Awesome. Awesome.
Jeff White: Fantastic. Have a great day.
Allison Wagner: Yes. You too.
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