Our Latest Episode
Navigating the Gray Area Between Sales and Marketing

Featuring Phil Harris, Director of Marketing at Paulo Heat Treating
May 6, 2025

In this episode of The Kula Ring, Phil Harris of Paulo Heat Treating shares an honest and insightful look into the often murky handoff between sales and marketing. Phil walks us through how fostering a shared understanding of responsibilities and handoff qualifications combats inter-team tensions and strengthens leads. He discusses the mounting pressure on sales teams, the demand for higher-quality leads, and how a lack of SDR infrastructure in manufacturing intensifies these challenges.
Phil outlines how redefining lead qualification and raising the bar for sales engagement significantly improved alignment and results. Plus, he shares actionable insights on using evergreen content, doubling down on newsletters, and experimenting with high-intent CTAs. If you’re a marketer in manufacturing struggling with lead quality, ownership, or sales enablement, this conversation will hit home.
